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  1. Nathan
    Nathan July 10, 2012 at 5:53 am | | Reply

    Is anyone talking about the best ways to bolus for a bunch of ice cream? I go crazy on a little ice cream every once in a while, but the result is always way out of my normal range. Those that eat low-carb might get more extreme results from an occasional dessert. But, yeah… we can eat whatever we want.

    1. Jordan
      Jordan July 10, 2012 at 11:55 am | | Reply

      Hey Nathan,

      I would like to invite you to go crazy on some Wink Frozen Desserts sometime. We use the natural sweetener stevia in place of sugar in our product and have sampled our product at a few DRI events this year with a warm reception. We are available in just a few NY stores right now but we do ship across the U.S.


  2. Mary Dexter
    Mary Dexter July 10, 2012 at 6:15 am | | Reply

    Will you be providing the carb counts for everything and will you be offering ice cream in manageable servings? I haven’t had an ice cream sundae since I was diagnosed. PhillySwirl Sweet Delights (a creamsicle) has only 4 carbs. Culvers’s cone is supposedly 35 grams, but the servers generally add more ice cream (if it’s closer to 2 scoops that’s 63 grams), which leads to hyperglycemia later. A sundae runs between 50-115 grams. Tiny sundaes with precisely measured ingredients and carefully counted carbs would allow the diabetics to enjoy the event. Yes, I can eat what I want, if I put a lot of effort into calculating everything precisely. But I don’t eat in quite the carefree or exuberant manner of my nondiabetic friends and relations.
    It would help to educate them about how much effort is necessary for us to live seemingly effortlessly.

    1. donna
      donna July 10, 2012 at 7:52 am | | Reply

      My son eats whatever he wants and we swag everything. We see an over 300 twice a year. You have to learn to do that or go around carrying scales and carb counters. That ain’t happening with my teenager. Besides there are other variables such as activity level and time of year. We mix science and instinct and go on with life.

      1. Mary Dexter
        Mary Dexter July 10, 2012 at 10:54 am | | Reply

        What is swag? Not covered by either nutritionist, endo, or CDE? Also, I’m an adult with LADA, not a Type 1 kid.

  3. Scott E
    Scott E July 10, 2012 at 6:15 am | | Reply

    Indiana’s a bit far for me to go for ice cream, but I stood in front of the supermarket freezer for ten minutes on Sunday pondering between two types of ice-cream. The “regular” and the “no-sugar-added”. Usually, I’ll opt for the regular one, since at least I know what I’m getting. But this time, the numbers were staggering (regular 18 carbs: 16 sugars; “no-sugar-added” 18 carbs:4 fiber, 5 sugars, 4 sugar alcohol), so I opted for the one with the better numbers and figured I’d SWAG it.

    When it comes to hot summer and ice cream, nothing’s better!

    1. Mary Dexter
      Mary Dexter July 10, 2012 at 10:56 am | | Reply

      So, if they both have 18 carbs, which did you choose?

      1. Scott E
        Scott E July 10, 2012 at 11:48 am | | Reply

        I took the No-Sugar-Added one. I hate sugar-alcohols with a passion, and I can’t logically see how ice cream can have fiber (?), but the 16 g of sugar (89% of the carbs) pushed me away from that one. If it had been 18 carbs and 12 of them from sugar, I’d probably be OK with it. There’s no scientific reason for saying 12, it’s just a gut-feel that I have from living with T1 for over thirty years.

        1. Tim
          Tim July 10, 2012 at 1:22 pm |

          I hate sugar alcohols, too, though I’ve only been a PWD for 3 years. One of my hobbies now is to check out at random a sugar-free product (that was originally a sugar-full product) and compare it to the the original.

          I did that the other day for Aplets & Cotlets and left shaking my head. The sugar-free version had MORE carbs than the original! I wonder which one I would choose to eat? It’s a real puzzler.

  4. Jessica Apple
    Jessica Apple July 10, 2012 at 6:39 am | | Reply

    Well, at the risk of making everyone hate me I’m going to say that I don’t agree with this approach at all. I do believe that everyone is entitled to eat whatever they want and what you put in your mouth is nobody’s business, and I’m not perfect when it comes to diet. That said, if you have diabetes, your body can’t process carbs and the insulin game is a dangerous one, so I believe in playing it safe. Furthermore, with the growing problem of sedentary lifestyles and soaring obesity rates in America, I would much rather see a 5k walk social than an ice cream social. Nothing is wrong with the occasional dessert, but why should we make a party and an issue out of something that is inherently bad for us and bad for everyone else, too?

    1. Khurt Williams
      Khurt Williams July 10, 2012 at 12:10 pm | | Reply

      I agree with you. This Ice Cream is ok for PWD is bullshit. It’s a stunt. I’m sorry to tell you. There is nothing normal about diabetes and nothing normal about eating hundred of calories worth of sugar with ZERO nutritional value.

      I don’t give a crap who hates what I have to say. It’s the truth. Mike is delusional.

      1. Tim
        Tim July 10, 2012 at 1:47 pm | | Reply

        The real point the ice cream social is trying to get across (in my mind) is that it’s not about the ice cream as much as the attention it will bring to Type 1 diabetes. Type 1 Diabetes does not make me allergic to ice cream and I rarely (if ever) have some, but the shock value of this may help some to actually learn what we REALLY have to do: we have to bolus or exercise off everything with carbs in our diet–most fruit included.

        I choose to limits my sweets quite a lot, but I’m no nag and is that HOMEMADE apple pie! It would be rude not to try a bite or two. Life is full of absolutes, like The Beatles are better than The Stones and PCs are better than Macs ;) . As long as I can keep my a1C at the levels I have since my diagnosis (planted firmly in the 6% range), I would say you are confusing my joy in living with someone who has given up and given in to his baser diatetic desires.

      2. Mike
        Mike July 11, 2012 at 5:26 am | | Reply


        Just out of curiosity . . . what’s the nutritional value of the hefeweizen ales you are drinking? Average hefeweizen is 150-250 calories?

        1. Mike
          Mike July 11, 2012 at 9:05 am |

          Tim, the comment wasn’t directed at you. It clearly says “@Khurt”

          Read the whole comment before replying back.

        2. Mike
          Mike July 11, 2012 at 9:07 am |


          no worries.

          For the record, I completely agree with your post.

      3. Kathy
        Kathy July 13, 2012 at 8:08 am | | Reply

        With all due respect, 95% of time time you will find the PWD at an ice cream stand quietly selecting the frozen yogurt or the plainest flavor of soft serve available, adding no toppings and stressing about their bolus long after the treat is consumed. As I said below, if someone thinks shoving a $12 drink in my face is fine but gives me a hard time about the occasional cone or sundae, it’s pretty hypocritical of them.

        1. Mike
          Mike July 13, 2012 at 8:14 am |

          @Kathy – EXACTLY!!!!!

          Notice that Khurt hasn’t commented on my post about about his beer consuming (if you click on his name it takes you to his blog where he clearly states he likes beer). Just to be clear, I’m not trying to be a smart ass in the least with my question to Khurt.

          It’s his choice to not eat ice cream and he’s entitled to an opinion about holding an Ice Cream social event for PWD. HOWEVER, when comes here and says things like :

          “This Ice Cream is ok for PWD is bullshit. It’s a stunt.”

          “I don’t give a crap who hates what I have to say. It’s the truth. Mike is delusional.”

          The TRUTH is that he chooses to drink beer with ZERO nutritional value and some PWD’s choose to eat ice cream.

          It’s his choice. Ice cream may not be the right choice for him and beer may not be the right choice for others, but don’t come here blasting people when you are clearly a hypocrite.

  5. Denise
    Denise July 10, 2012 at 6:57 am | | Reply

    Ice cream is not inherently bad for us–it’s nummy! But I don’t equate being able to eat icecream with living a full life. What if you’re allergic to dairy, are you not able to live a full life? My kids have peanut allergy. I bet most of those toppings contain nuts or traces thereof. I love an icecream social but let’s not equate it with being “normal.” Lots of “normal” people can’t eat icecream sundaes. No biggy. Some pwd can’t eat icecream without bs going through the roof. Let’s present this as being about choice and options and managing your own diet as you see fit regardless of media hype and misconceptions about D care.

    btw, we go out and order soft serve and bring a purse full of sprinkles and lite chocolate syrup. :)

  6. Melanie Dent
    Melanie Dent July 10, 2012 at 7:38 am | | Reply

    I have had TYpe 1 for most of my life and never been stopped from eating ice cream although I don’t go mad and only have it occasionally. Why can’t they say Diabetic chocolate is bad for us instead because it is. Low calorie high fat and that disgusting sorbitol which forces you to camp on the loo if you eat too much.

  7. Jessica Apple
    Jessica Apple July 10, 2012 at 8:27 am | | Reply

    @Mike – Agreed – fructose, glucose, etc. it’s all bad, and actually ice cream spikes me less than most fruit. Two points: First, the rules for kids are different, I think. I write from the POV of an adult with adults in mind. Second, I understand the desire to stop the misconceptions, blame, etc, but I think there are better ways to do it. I don’t say this out of lack of respect for anyone, I just don’t think proving we can eat ice cream sends the right message.

  8. Liz
    Liz July 10, 2012 at 8:31 am | | Reply

    I truly appreciate everyone’s comments, and feedback. When I made this event (The Diabetic Ice Cream Social, on now it’s second year), it was in response to a man attacking Type 2 Diabetics, as similar to ‘alcoholics,’ who need to be kept away from all sugar, and desserts, and he used the “Diabetic Ice Cream Social” from the Diabetes Youth Foundation of Indiana, to make his case in point.

    My main drive is that WE decide what we eat.

    The event per se is not about ice cream, but about our choices. NO ONE has the right to:

    1.) Assume we’re pigs, if we have ice cream, or any other ‘controversial’ food.
    2.) Assume we are out of control diabetics.
    3.) Impose their food views on us.

    So, the event is NOT about imposing eating ice cream on ANYONE, nor about pushing pigging out on ice cream. It is merely about taking a moment to enjoy a food YOU love, and that people wrongly police you and tell you you can’t have it because you have diabetes.

    It does NOT have to be dairy based ice cream… and it does not have to be ice cream, AT ALL.

    It can be wine, it can be peanuts! Heck, it can even be fruit.

    This is a SIMPLE, yet very important misconception that needs to be broken down… and I respect those who feel things like walkathons, and marathons are important, as well…

    I do BELIEVE that being able to make our OWN food choices, and be in CONTROL of our diabetes, means having a full life — we can thrive, and have a full life… and it can be on our terms.

    Thank you all… for your thoughts, and support.

  9. Liz
    Liz July 10, 2012 at 8:39 am | | Reply

    And I understand not everyone will agree with this approach, as well… but we all need to raise awareness in the ways we feel convicted to do so… And just the discrepancies on how people view food in this post alone, tells me it is IMPORTANT I raise awareness the way I have chosen to do so. :)

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  11. AllisonB
    AllisonB July 10, 2012 at 4:46 pm | | Reply

    I actually have an easier time eating ice cream and cupcakes than I do eating “healthy” things like Kashi cereal and whole wheat bagels. The fact of the matter is, some foods are handled better by those who don’t produce their own insulin. Cereal and bagels are not on the Do Not Eat list for most PWDs, but if I eat it, I’m over 300 mg/dl for hours.

    The truth is that YDMV (Your Diabetes May Vary) and that’s the point behind this Ice Cream Social. No one can tell us what we can or can’t eat. We have to do what is best for us and our diabetes.

  12. Betty
    Betty July 11, 2012 at 7:06 am | | Reply

    I’m still trying to persuade my family that it is ok for a type 1 diabetic to eat normal sugar and carb items, as long as the person is, or is learning to, adjust their insulin to the higher carb foods. I will say, we found some awesome breyers triple chocolate no sugar added ice cream that had a total counted carbs of 14 (sugar minus 1/2 fiber and 1/2 sugar alcohol). It was actually really tasty and Jon could eat a serving of ice cream without having to worry about his blood glucose spiking.

  13. Sysy
    Sysy July 11, 2012 at 12:54 pm | | Reply

    Technically, anyone can do anything they want. I’m more in support of proving our point by showing how willing we are to work on healthy habits. Most people I know think that one typical dessert or bit of junk food a day is practicing “moderation”. To that I say, “If you say so…and good luck”.

    I mean do whatever you want and tell others you can but in the end, what’s your blood sugar and A1c telling you about the food you’re eating? Or is the issue this darn disease? There is more to it than food but food is such a HUGE factor.

    I also think it’s interesting that the ice cream that will be served will be “gigantic”. No offense but I don’t feel that’s helping the message one bit.

    I’m with Nathan and Jessica Apple on this.

  14. Kathy
    Kathy July 12, 2012 at 3:24 pm | | Reply

    What really amuses me are the people who go on about PWD eating something (fill in the blank, doesn’t have to be ice cream) and then see no problem with drinking alcohol. Two of the worst lows in my D life were when I tried drinking red wine to raise my HDL. ALl my life I’ve been made to feel weird because I don’t drink – I’ve had drinks pushed on me, been bullied and made to feel like a pariah when people go out. To each their own I guess but it’s ironic how society has no problem with one and a huge issue with the other.

  15. shannon
    shannon July 13, 2012 at 12:09 pm | | Reply

    love love love this idea! hope you had great success today and raised a bunch of money for the camp!

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  18. 0zep
    0zep August 29, 2012 at 8:13 am | | Reply

    Nice article. I think it really comes down to moderation, knowing your own body and making good choices. We don’t have to be condemned to bland food. Everything in moderation.

  19. Marge
    Marge September 10, 2012 at 2:06 pm | | Reply

    Yes, ice cream does raise blood sugar and I don’t see why we should exhaust the pancreas any more than needed IF there is a fantastic alternative. I love ice cream too but check this out – you can have this with no guilt!!! Enjoy!!

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  20. Damian
    Damian September 19, 2012 at 7:34 am | | Reply

    Of course diabetics can eat ice cream. We can eat anything we want. I can go rob a convenience store too. The key, is the portion that you eat and knowing your own body and levels. It’s fact that sustained levels over 140 will damage your body, if you’re okay with that, go pig-out!

    Diabetics have a funny way of not being able to accept it’s not exactly good and safe to eat whatever they want. Food is a drug and it’s exactly like trying to tell a heroin addict he can’t do drugs.

    Yea, let’s throw an ice cream party for the diabetics. Damn dude, this is silly.

  21. Erica
    Erica September 19, 2012 at 11:33 pm | | Reply

    Would there be less negative, misinformed comments if this was a popcorn or fruit and vegetable social? Yes. That’s the problem. Everything we eat gets turned to glucose. Doesn’t matter if it’s good for us or not.

    The way some of you talk, we should go back to the first diabetic diet of whiskey and coffee.

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    El Jeffe November 9, 2012 at 12:24 pm | | Reply

    SWAG is not necessarily diabetes lingo. I first ran into its use as a programmer in the 1980s.

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    I can see where you are coming from, but I think an Ice Cream social for raising funds a really bad idea.

    Since we are facing an epidemic of metabolic diseases, including obesity and diabetes, that is caused by our over consumption of carbohydrates, we should be taking a lead on helping the public become more aware of this danger. Promoting the consumption of carbohydrates as a fun event just sends the wrong message. It is also dangerous message for those who poorly control their blood sugar.

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