Welcome back to our Saturday event, the diabetes advice column Ask D’Mine, hosted by veteran type 1, diabetes author and community educator Wil Dubois. 
This week we’re talking food — yay! And also digging into the meaning of glucose targets for people living on insulin — less yay, but certainly important to understand.
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Clara from Indiana, type 2, writes: I heard that popcorn is a good “diabetes-friendly” snack, but I was surprised to see how many carbs it has. I like to have popcorn for lunch, which means I’d sometimes eat about 4 cups. That’s minimum 25 carbs! Why do I think that’s just too much?
Wil@Ask D’Mine answers: First off, let’s be clear that I don’t find the terms “diabetes-friendly” and “snack” to be compatible. Second off, let’s be clear that popcorn, diabetes-friendly snack or not, is most definitely not a diabetes-friendly meal! Meals need to have things like protein… and vitamins… and stuff.
But as to how much of anything is too much, consider that to maintain weight, a healthy meal for a woman would be in the 40-50 carb range, while men get to pig out in the 50-60 carb range. If you need to lose weight, a slightly lower carb count per meal is a good idea. Of course, carbs are only part of the story. We gotta talk about calories too. Carbs are a useful tool for understanding how much impact on your blood sugar a given food will have, and can be used as a rough guide for weight. But calories are a far more useful way to understand if what we are eating will keep our weight stable, make it go up, or make it go down. In general, the more carbs the more calories, but not always. Take popcorn for example.
A single serving of popcorn is anywhere between 4 and 5 ½ cups. Those little mini microwave bags are generally in the five-cup range, and yep, you nailed it: they run about 25 carbs. And they traditionally weigh in at 200 calories.
But they don’t have to.
The latest and greatest thing in popcorn is the 100-calorie “mini” bag of microwave popcorn. When I first heard about these calorie-skimpy bags, I just assumed the cheap-ass people at Orville Redenbacher’s slashed the serving size to two cups to achieve the calorie drop, but I was wrong. Both the 200-calorie and the 100-calorie bags are the same serving size, around five cups. WTF?
What has changed is the oil.
A good old-fashioned 200-calorie bag of microwave popcorn has 15 grams of fat. The new 100-calorie bags only have 2 grams of fat. By reducing the oil / fat content, they slashed the calories. The carbs stayed the same.
Less fat makes them healthier, right?
Not necessarily.
It depends on what you mean/want/need when it comes to the label “healthier.”
For you, my type 2 cousin, it may be better to have less fat. But for me and my T1 kin, the higher fat popcorn may be better. No shit. Here’s why: fat slows down the absorption of carbs. For those of us dependent on insulin, we often have a hard time matching the speed of carb absorption in our intestines with the speed of our insulin’s action. Higher fat meals give us an edge, by slowing down the carb absorption and matching it more closely with the action curve of our modern “fast–acting” insulins.
So if I ate the 100-calorie bag, I’ll actually have a steeper, faster excursion into high blood sugar territory than if I ate the 200-calorie bag. That’s because they both have the same 25 carbs, but with less fat, the lower calorie bag will pump those carbs into my blood stream much more quickly. If I take more insulin to try to compensate, I’ll probably go low a few hours downstream.
Of course most T2s don’t have this problem. Y‘all have some insulin gettin’ mainlined from your pancreases still. You’d have to experiment with a box of each kind of popcorn, a stop watch, and a glucometer, but I’d bet there would be precocious little difference between what the two kinds of popcorn would do to your blood sugar.
Oh the other hand, the majority of T2s struggle with weight, so fewer calories would be better, and because virtually all T2s have a greater risk of heart trouble, cutting the fat content makes the 100-calorie bag a win-win for you.
But back to your original question, i.e. eating a bag of popcorn for a meal and worrying if it’s just too much. Let me end with this thought setting nutritional value and fat aside for the moment, a 200-calorie meal is waaaaaay on the light side, containing only 10% of your daily calorie allowance to maintain your weight. If you are trying to lose weight, you need to take in fewer calories of course, but if you only ate three meals of popcorn per day (don’t you dare!) you’d be getting 600 calories a day—fewer calories than the folks in Soviet labor camps got. And I think we can all agree that The Soviet Labor Camp Diet is not going to be the next best-selling fad diet any time soon!
Something to think about.
Jean from Minnesota, type 1 for one year, writes: I was curious as to what BG numbers most type 1s aim for? For example, morning fasting numbers — do most try to keep the BG number under 90? 80? in the 70s? I’m not a control freak, but I think it would motivate me to have a realistic target number, even though I know I won’t (can’t) meet it all the time.
Wil@Ask D’Mine answers: To be honest, there is quite a bit of disagreement about our target numbers, both in the medical community and in the patient communities.
In fact, the two largest diabetes doctors’ groups can’t even agree on where are numbers should be:
The American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists (AACE) Guidelines call for:
A Fasting blood sugar of less than 110 mg/dL
And a two hour post-meal peak below 140 mg/dL.
While…
The American Diabetes Association (ADA) Guidelines call for:
A Fasting blood sugar of between 70-130
And a two hour post-meal peak below 180.
So that’s…. ummmmm… quite a difference of opinion.
And these numbers have become something of a moving target themselves over the last few years, with a trend towards personalizing them, at least for various therapies and age groups. Many docs are choosing higher targets for pediatric populations, whose blood sugars do the funky chicken dance with less warning, and for older folks, since the results of the Accord Trial suggest to many that shooting for lower blood sugars may be fatal to older folks. For what it’s worth, I also support higher target for older patients as frankly, the older you get, the more likely you are to be done in by heart attacks, strokes, falling down stairs, or getting pecked to death by ducks (hey, it could happen) rather than being done in by your diabetes. Simply put, at some point your risks of garden-variety mortality get so high, it really isn’t worth the effort to keep your blood sugars low. Something else will surely do you in before the blood sugar gets the chance.
Many PWDs seek “normal” non-diabetic blood sugars, the rationale being that as close to normal as possible is healthier. But this would mean sub-100 blood sugars. And while it can be done with super-low-carb eating and lots of insulin, I personally don’t believe it’s safe.
Trying to stuff diabetes back into the box it came in is nearly impossible given today’s technology and medicines. And trying too hard to achieve “normal” blood sugars hugely increases the risks of hypoglycemia. Hypos are dangerous; they can kill you very quickly if you go too low, and recent evidence also suggests lows may also damage the heart. To top it off, frequent lows also result in hypoglycemia unawareness, and if you develop that you are at even greater risk of the whole go-really-low-and-die-quickly thing.
Sorry, I didn’t intend to scare the pants off you…
In my option, the AACE guidelines are unrealistically inflexible. One thing they don’t take into consideration is personal variation. Depending on your therapy, medications, diet, exercise patterns, and lifestyle, your morning numbers could vary quite a bit. That being the case, I like ranges. If your average has to be a little higher to ensure your lowest numbers aren’t too low, well that’s money in the bank. So chalk one up for the ADA. But at the same time, I feel 70 mg/dL is dangerously thin ice for most T1s. Or anyone else using insulin. You are very close to a hypo at that point.
I like to shoot for a morning target of 115/mg/dL most of the time. I get nervous if I get much below 90, and I get pissed off if I get much above 120. As for after-meal numbers, unless I’ve been forced to eat tofu and water cress, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a 140 after eating. I do think, however, that keeping under 180mg/dL eighty percent of the time is realistic and achievable.
Remember too, that speed of change is nearly as important as degree of change. Slowly changing blood sugars are much easier on your diabetic body than rapidly changing blood sugars.
But no matter what numbers you and your doc settle on, remember these are just targets. Even high-tech predator drones miss their targets and blow up Afghan ice cream trucks now and again. A target is just something to shoot for, to strive for. They’re not carved in stone. They’re not the unmalleable laws of physics.
So no guilt allowed when you miss a target! At least not when you miss a blood sugar target.
If you just blew up an Afghan ice cream truck, then I think some guilt is called for.
Disclaimer: This is not a medical advice column. We are PWDs freely and openly sharing the wisdom of our collected experiences — our been-there-done-that knowledge from the trenches. But we are not MDs, RNs, NPs, PAs, CDEs, or partridges in pear trees. Bottom line: we are only a small part of your total prescription. You still need the professional advice, treatment, and care of a licensed medical professional.

As for older people, I think targets have to be individualized there too. I’m 63, (only 2 years away from Medicare!), and have had diabetes for 20 years. So far, no complications of any kind, and pretty healthy, otherwise (I had a recent angiogram, because I’ve had coronary artery spasms since before I had diabetes, and my last gram was 20 years ago — both came out clean and clear!). I would like to aim for an A1c in the 5′s because I’m a low glycator, anyway (diagnosable in 1991 with an A1c of 4.8), but my PCP’s APN told me that was too low, because I’m older.
Well, what’s the definition of older? With my health, I could live another 20 years with diabetes, whereas someone who is younger than me, but already has severe artery disease or kidney disease might only live another 5 years. So, life expectancy among us “older” folk varies a lot, too. I don’t want to exacerbate my risk of complications because someone thinks I’m too old. I’d rather live optimistically than pessimistically disabled in a nursing home!
I liked your answers today a lot, Wil, except for this part: “Let me end with this thought setting nutritional value and fat aside for the moment, a 200-calorie meal is waaaaaay on the light side, containing only 10% of your daily calorie allowance to maintain your weight.”
This seems to continue the deception that *everyone* needs 2,000 calories a day (the number that’s always on the food labels). I’m sure you know this, but a lot of people fall on either side of this line (I once had to convince my father that despite what he considered her very light eating, my 85 year old 4′ 11″ and 95 lbs. grandmother was *not* running a calorie deficit…her calorie needs at that age and size were only about 1250/day), and most people would be well-served by using a simple calculator (such as the one found here: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/calorie-calculator/NU00598) to find an estimate of their daily needs.
Another consideration about popcorn is the high fiber content. For foods with more than 5 grams of fiber, some people subtract a portion of the fiber from the total carb count.
For my daughter, she can eat 4 cups of popcorn and we count it as 15 carbs. This is how HER body reacts to it, so it might not be the same for someone else.
As with all things diabetes, it’s trial and error.
Oh, and Wil, I personally L-O-V-E tofu.
Watercress, not so much.
I think there’s a third set of goal numbers out there: the Bernstein numbers (the ones which say your average blood glucose should be 85 and your A1c 4.5).
Love the column. The natural variability of MDI means I’m happy to wake up under 120. If I target lower, I risk lows along with killer headaches.
I hate seeing the guidelines. They make me feel bad. Joe’s numbers are NEVER in the guidelines. UGH. Great, as always, Wil. Thank you.
If I get a 140 reading 2 hours after a meal, I can count on my bg plummeting a few minutes later. Ideal theoretical numbers are great for theoretical people; for those of us who are flesh and blood…..
Good discussion on the carbs/fat thing, Wil. I was thinking the same thing as Leighann – popcorn has that excellent added benefit of being high fiber. It’s a great snack for anyone, even popped in oil or drizzled with a bit of butter.
And, re: above commenter, I don’t think anything was said about everyone’s calorie needs being the same, as in all of us need 2000 calories per day. Even at a low-end of someone needing 1250, the example of having three 200 calorie meals a day is less than half that – still not meeting any reasonable calorie goal for an adult.
I agree that it can be unsafe to run sugars too close to normal, but I think it depends on who we’re talking about. I have keep mine under 100 most of the time and I’ve never had problems with lows and I don’t get too many lows a week (2-3). I stay at home so life isn’t particularly hectic and I find I can manage.
In the past 6 months I’ve run my sugars higher because my twin toddlers require a lot of chasing after and I adjust for safety to 120-130 range. I spent so many years with constant high blood sugar and I’m willing to spend a decade or so with 5% A1c levels because they make me feel so good and because doing so has helped me reverse damage from the first decade.
I think targets should vary according to a person’s situation, environment, and lifestyle. When I find that I don’t feel my lows as well, you can be sure I’ll run my sugars higher.
just an update on your ACCORD info http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9287-tight-blood-sugar-control-may-not-harm-diabetes-patients&catid=1&Itemid=8
There is a lot of conflicting information out there about carbs and the impact on levels. I read here
http://www.dailyrx.com/news-article/type-2-diabetes-risk-reduced-lower-fat-diet-13783.html
that cutting carbs in already obese patients doesn’t seem to impact the diabetic onset. Have you seen anything along these line?
Just checkin’, Wil, re: postprandial Bg’s (– that is, ‘after eating’ –) when you say, “I do think, however, that keeping under 180mg/dL eighty percent of the time is realistic and achievable.” Are you saying 20% of the time, in your opinion, it’s hard to expect any better? If so, that would be a balm to my weary T1 soul, as I often go even higher after meals, but if I don’t treat (with insulin), it usually comes down pretty steadily/nicely — just depending on lots of junk, you know the drill…. – but maybe you meant that the other 20% a person could aim to be closer to the under 140 range….
Thanks – really enjoying your column!
Very Enjoyable.