<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Those CGMS Insurance Codes</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/11/those-cgms-insu.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/11/those-cgms-insu.html</link>
	<description>A gold mine of straight talk and encouragement for people living with diabetes</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:28:10 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=</generator>
<xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" />
	<item>
		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/11/those-cgms-insu.html/comment-page-1#comment-39265</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://diabetesmine.dreamhosters.com/2007/11/12/those-cgms-insurance-codes/#comment-39265</guid>
		<description>I see this as a help for those that are denied coverage for the basis reason of &quot;there&#039;s no proper billing code.&quot;  However, I don&#039;t see it any much of a step forward besides that.  I think the cost ultimately needs to come down.  Insurance rates for a single person are averaging around $400 a month I believe.  That&#039;s $4800 a year.

Most on a CGM also use a pump.  If going by the rules for everything, the cost for cartridges, infusion sets, CGM sensors, etc. would be $17.17 a day roughly.  In a year, that is $6266 and that doesn&#039;t even cover the cost of the initial device (Add $1750 for a pump every year) or BG strips and insulin.  So diabetics are already a huge loss for insurance companies which is why most states mandate coverage (no federal law yet.)

So what am I saying?  I&#039;m saying there&#039;s no real benefit for insurance to cover all this technology.  Yes, it may prevent an ER visit once a year, but even then, that only comes out to at most maybe $2000 for an overnight stay.  And with proper education, most can recieve just as decent control with BG strips and MDI.  And I haven&#039;t been to the ER in 8 years, and only been pumping for 5 years.  So the ER excuse is a bunch of bull in my opinion.

While I love my pump and wouldn&#039;t do without it, I see why insurance is fighting so much against it.  To cover it, they&#039;d have to increase premiums for all, which seems to be a huge debate right now for the election campaign, employees in the workplace, union contracts, etc.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see this as a help for those that are denied coverage for the basis reason of &#8220;there&#8217;s no proper billing code.&#8221;  However, I don&#8217;t see it any much of a step forward besides that.  I think the cost ultimately needs to come down.  Insurance rates for a single person are averaging around $400 a month I believe.  That&#8217;s $4800 a year.</p>
<p>Most on a CGM also use a pump.  If going by the rules for everything, the cost for cartridges, infusion sets, CGM sensors, etc. would be $17.17 a day roughly.  In a year, that is $6266 and that doesn&#8217;t even cover the cost of the initial device (Add $1750 for a pump every year) or BG strips and insulin.  So diabetics are already a huge loss for insurance companies which is why most states mandate coverage (no federal law yet.)</p>
<p>So what am I saying?  I&#8217;m saying there&#8217;s no real benefit for insurance to cover all this technology.  Yes, it may prevent an ER visit once a year, but even then, that only comes out to at most maybe $2000 for an overnight stay.  And with proper education, most can recieve just as decent control with BG strips and MDI.  And I haven&#8217;t been to the ER in 8 years, and only been pumping for 5 years.  So the ER excuse is a bunch of bull in my opinion.</p>
<p>While I love my pump and wouldn&#8217;t do without it, I see why insurance is fighting so much against it.  To cover it, they&#8217;d have to increase premiums for all, which seems to be a huge debate right now for the election campaign, employees in the workplace, union contracts, etc.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Cynthia Rice</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/11/those-cgms-insu.html/comment-page-1#comment-39264</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://diabetesmine.dreamhosters.com/2007/11/12/those-cgms-insurance-codes/#comment-39264</guid>
		<description>Amy --

Thanks for sharing the information about codes, and underscoring that while codes can aid coverage, they by no means guarantee it.  JDRF is funding a large clinical trial to gather evidence needed for reimbursement, and has posted tips for how to seek coverage in the meantime -- go to www.jdrf.org/artificialpancreas and click on &#039;insurance coverage.&#039;


</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy &#8211;</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing the information about codes, and underscoring that while codes can aid coverage, they by no means guarantee it.  JDRF is funding a large clinical trial to gather evidence needed for reimbursement, and has posted tips for how to seek coverage in the meantime &#8212; go to <a href="http://www.jdrf.org/artificialpancreas" rel="nofollow">http://www.jdrf.org/artificialpancreas</a> and click on &#8216;insurance coverage.&#8217;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Kevin McMahon</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/11/those-cgms-insu.html/comment-page-1#comment-39263</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin McMahon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://diabetesmine.dreamhosters.com/2007/11/12/those-cgms-insurance-codes/#comment-39263</guid>
		<description>And if any of you who have been so fortunate so as to have been granted reimbursement cares to respond to Andrew&#039;s plea for help in his quest, you should post that detailed information (names, phone #s, evidence, strategies, etc...) on cgmscentral.com

Posting that info or only summary info on a blog like this doesn&#039;t really help the person asking the same question next month.

Why so few comments on such a hot and salient topic so critical to this community?

Where&#039;s the buzz???
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if any of you who have been so fortunate so as to have been granted reimbursement cares to respond to Andrew&#8217;s plea for help in his quest, you should post that detailed information (names, phone #s, evidence, strategies, etc&#8230;) on cgmscentral.com</p>
<p>Posting that info or only summary info on a blog like this doesn&#8217;t really help the person asking the same question next month.</p>
<p>Why so few comments on such a hot and salient topic so critical to this community?</p>
<p>Where&#8217;s the buzz???</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/11/those-cgms-insu.html/comment-page-1#comment-39262</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://diabetesmine.dreamhosters.com/2007/11/12/those-cgms-insurance-codes/#comment-39262</guid>
		<description>It would be great to know if anyone has been able to have their CGM covered by insurance.  And if so how did you do it (eg. studies submitted, brand of CGM, name of insurance company,...).
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be great to know if anyone has been able to have their CGM covered by insurance.  And if so how did you do it (eg. studies submitted, brand of CGM, name of insurance company,&#8230;).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/11/those-cgms-insu.html/comment-page-1#comment-39261</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://diabetesmine.dreamhosters.com/2007/11/12/those-cgms-insurance-codes/#comment-39261</guid>
		<description>Of course it&#039;s helpful if the insurance companies pay for everything but the greatest expense in these devices comes from the sensors, which have to replaced the most frequently (weekly for Dexcom if you go by the book).  An insurance company that may not want to foot the whole bill may at least be able to help cover the sensors with these distinct CPT codes.  If it&#039;s anything like BG meters, eventually they will practically give you the meter device in order to get you hooked on their product.  Honestly my first reaction to the cgm I was using was that I didn&#039;t even feel justified arguing it with my insurance because it was so unreliable for me.  They seem to have greatly improved the sensors since then, though, or else I&#039;ve just figured out the sites that work for me.  Now that there are codes, I may be ready to start my battle for coverage.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it&#8217;s helpful if the insurance companies pay for everything but the greatest expense in these devices comes from the sensors, which have to replaced the most frequently (weekly for Dexcom if you go by the book).  An insurance company that may not want to foot the whole bill may at least be able to help cover the sensors with these distinct CPT codes.  If it&#8217;s anything like BG meters, eventually they will practically give you the meter device in order to get you hooked on their product.  Honestly my first reaction to the cgm I was using was that I didn&#8217;t even feel justified arguing it with my insurance because it was so unreliable for me.  They seem to have greatly improved the sensors since then, though, or else I&#8217;ve just figured out the sites that work for me.  Now that there are codes, I may be ready to start my battle for coverage.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bernard Farrell</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/11/those-cgms-insu.html/comment-page-1#comment-39260</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://diabetesmine.dreamhosters.com/2007/11/12/those-cgms-insurance-codes/#comment-39260</guid>
		<description>I met with a group of fellow pumpers on Saturday. At one stage we started talking about CGMS and reimbursement. The general agreement seems to be that it&#039;s hard and there are a few reasons that improve coverage (but don&#039;t guarantee it). These are: hypo unawareness; planning for pregrancy if you&#039;ve got diabetes; lots of emergency room visits; and lots of glucagon usage.

The last one was just one case that someone knew of. It&#039;ll be interesting to watch Kevin&#039;s site to see if other coverage reasons get publicized.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I met with a group of fellow pumpers on Saturday. At one stage we started talking about CGMS and reimbursement. The general agreement seems to be that it&#8217;s hard and there are a few reasons that improve coverage (but don&#8217;t guarantee it). These are: hypo unawareness; planning for pregrancy if you&#8217;ve got diabetes; lots of emergency room visits; and lots of glucagon usage.</p>
<p>The last one was just one case that someone knew of. It&#8217;ll be interesting to watch Kevin&#8217;s site to see if other coverage reasons get publicized.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Kevin McMahon</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/11/those-cgms-insu.html/comment-page-1#comment-39259</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin McMahon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://diabetesmine.dreamhosters.com/2007/11/12/those-cgms-insurance-codes/#comment-39259</guid>
		<description>Thanks for calling attention to this Amy.  I hear about too many people sitting back and waiting to begin working on their own reimbursement &#039;until the codes are approved&#039;. If we look at the insulin pump as an analogy, we know there are still people fighting for reimbursement on a case by case basis and one would assume that the benefits of pump therapy had been universally accepted long ago.

Also, to clarify, cgmscentral.com isn&#039;t a blog. It&#039;s a patient resource including lots of tools to be used by patients for patients as they work toward securing their own reimbursement. While the site does offer the individual their own blog, it also includes Wiki software for shared page editing (factual data), newsletters, surveys, polls, forums, etc... It&#039;s the answer to anyone who has ever felt silly asking the question that&#039;s already been answered over a hundred times but they just can&#039;t find the information.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for calling attention to this Amy.  I hear about too many people sitting back and waiting to begin working on their own reimbursement &#8216;until the codes are approved&#8217;. If we look at the insulin pump as an analogy, we know there are still people fighting for reimbursement on a case by case basis and one would assume that the benefits of pump therapy had been universally accepted long ago.</p>
<p>Also, to clarify, cgmscentral.com isn&#8217;t a blog. It&#8217;s a patient resource including lots of tools to be used by patients for patients as they work toward securing their own reimbursement. While the site does offer the individual their own blog, it also includes Wiki software for shared page editing (factual data), newsletters, surveys, polls, forums, etc&#8230; It&#8217;s the answer to anyone who has ever felt silly asking the question that&#8217;s already been answered over a hundred times but they just can&#8217;t find the information.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: JasonJayhawk</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/11/those-cgms-insu.html/comment-page-1#comment-39258</link>
		<dc:creator>JasonJayhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://diabetesmine.dreamhosters.com/2007/11/12/those-cgms-insurance-codes/#comment-39258</guid>
		<description>Coverage by 2009 isn&#039;t bad, but I think some people are still fighting insurance companies just to get the daily strips they need for single tests.

I think the wait will be longer than 2009, considering how slow it takes for something like this to catch on.  If we see basic coverage for CGMS by 2009, I&#039;d be dancing for joy!  But in the mean time, insurance companies would rather pay for two emergency room visits per year than for one year of CGMS supplies.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coverage by 2009 isn&#8217;t bad, but I think some people are still fighting insurance companies just to get the daily strips they need for single tests.</p>
<p>I think the wait will be longer than 2009, considering how slow it takes for something like this to catch on.  If we see basic coverage for CGMS by 2009, I&#8217;d be dancing for joy!  But in the mean time, insurance companies would rather pay for two emergency room visits per year than for one year of CGMS supplies.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Challenge Diabetes</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/11/those-cgms-insu.html/comment-page-1#comment-39266</link>
		<dc:creator>Challenge Diabetes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://diabetesmine.dreamhosters.com/2007/11/12/those-cgms-insurance-codes/#comment-39266</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Announcing CGMSCENTRAL.COM; a site dedicated to helping people secure reimbursement&lt;/strong&gt;


Emails, Blogs and Groups on the Web are great for some things and not so great for others. Enter the power of the Wiki plus integrated tools for capturing important information and packaging it so that people can quickly and efficiently reference fact...
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Announcing CGMSCENTRAL.COM; a site dedicated to helping people secure reimbursement</strong></p>
<p>Emails, Blogs and Groups on the Web are great for some things and not so great for others. Enter the power of the Wiki plus integrated tools for capturing important information and packaging it so that people can quickly and efficiently reference fact&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Scott K. Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/11/those-cgms-insu.html/comment-page-1#comment-39257</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott K. Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://diabetesmine.dreamhosters.com/2007/11/12/those-cgms-insurance-codes/#comment-39257</guid>
		<description>I hate the battle with insurance.  It&#039;s a double edged sword isn&#039;t it?

Everything always comes down to money I guess.  As frustrating as that is for me and you and all our brothers and sisters out there.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate the battle with insurance.  It&#8217;s a double edged sword isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Everything always comes down to money I guess.  As frustrating as that is for me and you and all our brothers and sisters out there.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

