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	<title>Comments on: Top Secret? Promising New Insulin Pill</title>
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		<title>By: DR Lowe</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/10/top-secret-prom.html/comment-page-1#comment-42599</link>
		<dc:creator>DR Lowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oramed is working on a Insulin suppository for toddlers and capsule for adults. 

The theory is solid and simple: Put your ideas of sensitivites to dosages and diet aside intially - diet is always going to be important factor. The liver will regulate the insulin in your bloodstream provided it has enough of it from the pancreas and barring that as long it has suplimented insulin by another form such as oral delivery. The holy grail has always been delivery of insulin into liver as opposed to directly into bloodstream. Life as a diebetic is difficult - in the main because you&#039;re injecting insuling directly into your bloodstream which in itself opens up a large range of problems and which has created a multi-billion dolllar ancillary industry. 

What Oramed is doing/trying to do has not been done before, but at the very least they have a great pedigree, being Hadassah in Jerusalem. They are in trial and the FDA makes them test healthy volunteers before diabetics. Test on healthy people showed that there was delivery of insulin into liver via oral capsule. That part of it shouldnt be any different on diabetics - a diabetic&#039;s digestive system is going to do the same thing. 
Whether its Oramed who does this or someone else, its the right strategy and hopefully diabetics will have a very positive life change as a result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oramed is working on a Insulin suppository for toddlers and capsule for adults. </p>
<p>The theory is solid and simple: Put your ideas of sensitivites to dosages and diet aside intially &#8211; diet is always going to be important factor. The liver will regulate the insulin in your bloodstream provided it has enough of it from the pancreas and barring that as long it has suplimented insulin by another form such as oral delivery. The holy grail has always been delivery of insulin into liver as opposed to directly into bloodstream. Life as a diebetic is difficult &#8211; in the main because you&#8217;re injecting insuling directly into your bloodstream which in itself opens up a large range of problems and which has created a multi-billion dolllar ancillary industry. </p>
<p>What Oramed is doing/trying to do has not been done before, but at the very least they have a great pedigree, being Hadassah in Jerusalem. They are in trial and the FDA makes them test healthy volunteers before diabetics. Test on healthy people showed that there was delivery of insulin into liver via oral capsule. That part of it shouldnt be any different on diabetics &#8211; a diabetic&#8217;s digestive system is going to do the same thing.<br />
Whether its Oramed who does this or someone else, its the right strategy and hopefully diabetics will have a very positive life change as a result.</p>
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		<title>By: KR Dasharathi</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/10/top-secret-prom.html/comment-page-1#comment-39089</link>
		<dc:creator>KR Dasharathi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 04:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is is good news. But the pill should be made available within few months as lodt of diabts are eagarly wailting. They can try it out n other countries where regulations are simpler and people accept a certain amount of risk.
Dasharathi
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is is good news. But the pill should be made available within few months as lodt of diabts are eagarly wailting. They can try it out n other countries where regulations are simpler and people accept a certain amount of risk.<br />
Dasharathi</p>
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		<title>By: BillyWarhol</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/10/top-secret-prom.html/comment-page-1#comment-39088</link>
		<dc:creator>BillyWarhol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully a &quot;Real&quot; Cure appears within our Lifetimes* Just read this bit from CNN on da Pump + closed Loop system &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/359uxq&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/359uxq&lt;/a&gt;

To my mind not even close to a Cure - better Control but still a Rigamaroll*



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully a &#8220;Real&#8221; Cure appears within our Lifetimes* Just read this bit from CNN on da Pump + closed Loop system <a target="_blank" href="http://tinyurl.com/359uxq" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/359uxq</a></p>
<p>To my mind not even close to a Cure &#8211; better Control but still a Rigamaroll*</p>
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		<title>By: Felix Kasza</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/10/top-secret-prom.html/comment-page-1#comment-39087</link>
		<dc:creator>Felix Kasza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I&#039;ll miss The Bong. :-)

To the poster who asked how effective an insulin can be that you can give to healthy people without making them crash: This is how insulin analogs are initially tested, too. The method is to either keep the dosage small and let the body&#039;s glucagon system handle the matter; or to feed volunteers, give them insulin, and measure (via C-peptide) how much less insulin the body produces on its own to balance the carbs; or to hook volunteers up to an euglycaemic clamp -- a double infusion of glucose and insulin, with a feedback loop to keep BG stable -- and to watch how much glucose the system needs to infuse to keep BGs stable against the insulin being tested.

Cheers,
Felix.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I&#8217;ll miss The Bong. <img src='http://www.diabetesmine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>To the poster who asked how effective an insulin can be that you can give to healthy people without making them crash: This is how insulin analogs are initially tested, too. The method is to either keep the dosage small and let the body&#8217;s glucagon system handle the matter; or to feed volunteers, give them insulin, and measure (via C-peptide) how much less insulin the body produces on its own to balance the carbs; or to hook volunteers up to an euglycaemic clamp &#8212; a double infusion of glucose and insulin, with a feedback loop to keep BG stable &#8212; and to watch how much glucose the system needs to infuse to keep BGs stable against the insulin being tested.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Felix.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/10/top-secret-prom.html/comment-page-1#comment-39086</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even for kids, I wouldn&#039;t bother with this.  I&#039;d have more success getting my cat to swallow a pill.

products like these I think are really just marketed to that population of Type 2 folks who are being threatened by their dr&#039;s with the *gasp* possibility that they will have to take insulin.  I hate that dr&#039;s use it as a threat.  But many of those folks want something easier and possibly a once a day pill would be good for them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even for kids, I wouldn&#8217;t bother with this.  I&#8217;d have more success getting my cat to swallow a pill.</p>
<p>products like these I think are really just marketed to that population of Type 2 folks who are being threatened by their dr&#8217;s with the *gasp* possibility that they will have to take insulin.  I hate that dr&#8217;s use it as a threat.  But many of those folks want something easier and possibly a once a day pill would be good for them.</p>
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		<title>By: whimsy2</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/10/top-secret-prom.html/comment-page-1#comment-39085</link>
		<dc:creator>whimsy2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re a type 1 (or 2)  not on the pump but matching insulin dose to carbs in meal, with variable insulin dosing (like me) an insulin pill would be totally useless.  Where&#039;s that closed loop system???
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re a type 1 (or 2)  not on the pump but matching insulin dose to carbs in meal, with variable insulin dosing (like me) an insulin pill would be totally useless.  Where&#8217;s that closed loop system???</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/10/top-secret-prom.html/comment-page-1#comment-39084</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know what&#039;s going on!!! I really do! You see...this company &quot;Oramed&quot; feels so badly about Pfizer&#039;s multi billion fall from grace..that they have decided to take the heat off them by making another DIASTER. Can&#039;t wait to see how much money goes down the drain with this one...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what&#8217;s going on!!! I really do! You see&#8230;this company &#8220;Oramed&#8221; feels so badly about Pfizer&#8217;s multi billion fall from grace..that they have decided to take the heat off them by making another DIASTER. Can&#8217;t wait to see how much money goes down the drain with this one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mcityrk</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/10/top-secret-prom.html/comment-page-1#comment-39083</link>
		<dc:creator>mcityrk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All-

If the pill has to clear the stomach and reach intestines before gel dissolves and absorption uptake occurs, doesn&#039;t that imply incredibly unpredictable time-lags before any medicinal benefit happens and how can you possibly match your food intake to this bizzare insulin delivery pattern????

mcityrk
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All-</p>
<p>If the pill has to clear the stomach and reach intestines before gel dissolves and absorption uptake occurs, doesn&#8217;t that imply incredibly unpredictable time-lags before any medicinal benefit happens and how can you possibly match your food intake to this bizzare insulin delivery pattern????</p>
<p>mcityrk</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/10/top-secret-prom.html/comment-page-1#comment-39082</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can a pill like this be used for Type 1, instead of using a pump?  I have been confused about things like this and Exubera.  Do Type 1&#039;s on the pump have any hope of these things helping?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can a pill like this be used for Type 1, instead of using a pump?  I have been confused about things like this and Exubera.  Do Type 1&#8217;s on the pump have any hope of these things helping?</p>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.  I can&#039;t wait to hear if this actually pans out or not.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.  I can&#8217;t wait to hear if this actually pans out or not.</p>
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