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		<title>By: Danger Will Robinson&#160;&#124;&#160;Khürt</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/04/on_ignorance_an.html/comment-page-1#comment-300831</link>
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		<title>By: M. Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/04/on_ignorance_an.html/comment-page-1#comment-37177</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My brother was killed by a supposed &#039;diabetic driver&#039; in 2007 and I am trying to comprehend how there is nothing the motor vehicle department requires of diabetic drivers (non commercial, commercial cannot obtain a lic. if they are diabetic) and how the rest of us are supposed to feel safe with people who do not do a good job of maintaining their health and then get behind the wheel.  I personally feel that people at risk of a diabetic episode should be required to have a &#039;breathalizer&#039; style device similar to those used for people convicted of drunk driving to assure they are capable of driving.  This may sound harsh and impeding the rights of diabetics however if you cannot exert the mental skills necessary to navigate a motor vehicle there is no reason you should present a risk to the rest of the motoring public.

The angry brother of a man killed by a diabetic driver &#039;having an eposode&#039;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brother was killed by a supposed &#8216;diabetic driver&#8217; in 2007 and I am trying to comprehend how there is nothing the motor vehicle department requires of diabetic drivers (non commercial, commercial cannot obtain a lic. if they are diabetic) and how the rest of us are supposed to feel safe with people who do not do a good job of maintaining their health and then get behind the wheel.  I personally feel that people at risk of a diabetic episode should be required to have a &#8216;breathalizer&#8217; style device similar to those used for people convicted of drunk driving to assure they are capable of driving.  This may sound harsh and impeding the rights of diabetics however if you cannot exert the mental skills necessary to navigate a motor vehicle there is no reason you should present a risk to the rest of the motoring public.</p>
<p>The angry brother of a man killed by a diabetic driver &#8216;having an eposode&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin D</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/04/on_ignorance_an.html/comment-page-1#comment-37176</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[i]Or does the law hold us liable for the things we do while we are medically incapacitated??? For example, if a hypoglycemic episode caused a fatal car accident, is the diabetic driver liable?[/i]

Yes and no.  There are some cases where you can use medical reasons to get out of cases.  However, that also highly depends on the severity of the case.

If the person gets behind the wheel of the car and kills someone it would be a long drawn out case.  The prosecution would have a strong case and the entire time media would be making diabetics look worse than we are.  Here are some strong stances the prosecution would have...

1) How long have you been diabetic?  Depending on the time frame, you may not have a case to stand on using you didn&#039;t know.

2) How long have you had a driver&#039;s license?  If you are diabetic, most states require you to inform the BMV in that state.  Failure to do so may result in you getting your license suspended from court.  This will also add to your neglect.

3) Did you test your blood sugar before driving?  I have not met a doctor that does not recommend that and I strongly encourage it.  Even for a 2 minute drive.  A car to a diabetic is like a gun to a sharpshooter.  While the chances are very slim anything can go wrong, both are a deadly weapon at the wrong time.

The prosecution would have a strong case for at least vehicular homicide.  Then once you get out of that court case, then you have the civil court case to deal with for the death.  And even if you win one case, you may lose the other (that&#039;s what happened to OJ Simpson.)

Sorry to get off topic, but wanted to clear that up.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[i]Or does the law hold us liable for the things we do while we are medically incapacitated??? For example, if a hypoglycemic episode caused a fatal car accident, is the diabetic driver liable?[/i]</p>
<p>Yes and no.  There are some cases where you can use medical reasons to get out of cases.  However, that also highly depends on the severity of the case.</p>
<p>If the person gets behind the wheel of the car and kills someone it would be a long drawn out case.  The prosecution would have a strong case and the entire time media would be making diabetics look worse than we are.  Here are some strong stances the prosecution would have&#8230;</p>
<p>1) How long have you been diabetic?  Depending on the time frame, you may not have a case to stand on using you didn&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>2) How long have you had a driver&#8217;s license?  If you are diabetic, most states require you to inform the BMV in that state.  Failure to do so may result in you getting your license suspended from court.  This will also add to your neglect.</p>
<p>3) Did you test your blood sugar before driving?  I have not met a doctor that does not recommend that and I strongly encourage it.  Even for a 2 minute drive.  A car to a diabetic is like a gun to a sharpshooter.  While the chances are very slim anything can go wrong, both are a deadly weapon at the wrong time.</p>
<p>The prosecution would have a strong case for at least vehicular homicide.  Then once you get out of that court case, then you have the civil court case to deal with for the death.  And even if you win one case, you may lose the other (that&#8217;s what happened to OJ Simpson.)</p>
<p>Sorry to get off topic, but wanted to clear that up.</p>
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		<title>By: DemetnedM</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/04/on_ignorance_an.html/comment-page-1#comment-37175</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, if you go to MSNBC.com today they have an article about stem cell transplants apparently &#039;curing&#039; Type 1 diabetes. Very interesting stuff which was done in Brasil since US researchers &#039;weren&#039;t interested.&#039;

As for the arrest,if the police were so ignorant that they don&#039;t recognize hypoglycemia, it&#039;s expecting too much to think they wouldn&#039;t arrest. Hopefully the prosecutor has half a brain and will dismiss the case.

Or does the law hold us liable for the things we do while we are medically incapacitated??? For example, if a hypoglycemic episode caused a fatal car accident, is the diabetic driver liable?

M who has PCOS which is like pre-diabetes but worse.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, if you go to MSNBC.com today they have an article about stem cell transplants apparently &#8216;curing&#8217; Type 1 diabetes. Very interesting stuff which was done in Brasil since US researchers &#8216;weren&#8217;t interested.&#8217;</p>
<p>As for the arrest,if the police were so ignorant that they don&#8217;t recognize hypoglycemia, it&#8217;s expecting too much to think they wouldn&#8217;t arrest. Hopefully the prosecutor has half a brain and will dismiss the case.</p>
<p>Or does the law hold us liable for the things we do while we are medically incapacitated??? For example, if a hypoglycemic episode caused a fatal car accident, is the diabetic driver liable?</p>
<p>M who has PCOS which is like pre-diabetes but worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim J</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/04/on_ignorance_an.html/comment-page-1#comment-37172</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 08:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point is that too often, Type 1 diabetics have unexpected and severe low blood sugars. While some of this CAN be avoided, others times it can&#039;t be, due to longstanding Type 1 diabetes, tight control, hypoglycemia unawareness, autonomic neuropathy from diabetes, a quick drop in blood sugar, other hormonal imbalances common in Type 1&#039;s (such as impaired glucogon response and diseases like Addison&#039;s), as well as many other &quot;x&quot; factors.

The point is, Type 1 diabetics CANNOT replace a pancreas with insulin injections, and we should not blame the victim for having this severe, non-preventable genetic autoimmune condiiton. We wouldn&#039;t blame someone with congestive heart failure for having a heart attack, so why should we charge a Type 1 diabetic for having a *documented* low blood sugar?

It&#039;s well known in the medical communities that long standing Type 1 diabetes and tight control of said diabetes raises the risk for hypoglycemic unawareness. And we also know that some diabetics get violent due to hypoglycemia, not even being *aware* or in control of their actions. The brain does not act the way it should in abscence of sufficient glucose or oxygen.

Perhaps what needs to be blamed is the TREATMENT of Type 1 diabetes and the failure of the medical community. Instead of blaming the victim for trying to survive and control his disease, perhaps we should work harder to CURE it, and stop the horrible issues it causes.

While I understand that precautions need to be taken, I think that any officer/Rent a Cop who freaks out without considering all options:

a) Is not intelligent/calm/insightful/observant enough to have that job. Panic and failing to properly assess a situation does not help the public.

b) Does not understand that the job they signed up to due requires some risk (i.e. Use some force to subdue someone, but don&#039;t beat an obviously ill man senseless).


c) Does not understand basic medical situations they may encounter, or know when the situation is out of their league and the paramedics should be called. Provided Mr.U was not trying to harm anyone else and was simply reaching for a Coke at the candy stand, I can&#039;t see why any of this happened.

I find it hard to believe someone would think he was drunk when he did not smell like even a drop of alcohol.

While &quot;diabetics&quot; are imperfect people at times too, the vast majority of Type 1 diabetics are fighting to simply continuing living every day. We don&#039;t need people trying to stop us from helping ourselves. We don&#039;t need people assuming we are drunk and letting us fall into a coma because they were to lazy to look for a medical alert bracelet.  It&#039;s apparent that the *average* citizen and/or Type 2 diabetic will never have any clue of how hard it is to manage this disease.

In this day and age, this should not be happening. Due to the explosion of Type 2 diabetes, no one remembers what Type 1 is or the severity of it. They all think about their &quot;Aunt Bessie&quot; who had to simply &quot;watch her diet&quot; and &quot;stay away from sugar&quot;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is that too often, Type 1 diabetics have unexpected and severe low blood sugars. While some of this CAN be avoided, others times it can&#8217;t be, due to longstanding Type 1 diabetes, tight control, hypoglycemia unawareness, autonomic neuropathy from diabetes, a quick drop in blood sugar, other hormonal imbalances common in Type 1&#8217;s (such as impaired glucogon response and diseases like Addison&#8217;s), as well as many other &#8220;x&#8221; factors.</p>
<p>The point is, Type 1 diabetics CANNOT replace a pancreas with insulin injections, and we should not blame the victim for having this severe, non-preventable genetic autoimmune condiiton. We wouldn&#8217;t blame someone with congestive heart failure for having a heart attack, so why should we charge a Type 1 diabetic for having a *documented* low blood sugar?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s well known in the medical communities that long standing Type 1 diabetes and tight control of said diabetes raises the risk for hypoglycemic unawareness. And we also know that some diabetics get violent due to hypoglycemia, not even being *aware* or in control of their actions. The brain does not act the way it should in abscence of sufficient glucose or oxygen.</p>
<p>Perhaps what needs to be blamed is the TREATMENT of Type 1 diabetes and the failure of the medical community. Instead of blaming the victim for trying to survive and control his disease, perhaps we should work harder to CURE it, and stop the horrible issues it causes.</p>
<p>While I understand that precautions need to be taken, I think that any officer/Rent a Cop who freaks out without considering all options:</p>
<p>a) Is not intelligent/calm/insightful/observant enough to have that job. Panic and failing to properly assess a situation does not help the public.</p>
<p>b) Does not understand that the job they signed up to due requires some risk (i.e. Use some force to subdue someone, but don&#8217;t beat an obviously ill man senseless).</p>
<p>c) Does not understand basic medical situations they may encounter, or know when the situation is out of their league and the paramedics should be called. Provided Mr.U was not trying to harm anyone else and was simply reaching for a Coke at the candy stand, I can&#8217;t see why any of this happened.</p>
<p>I find it hard to believe someone would think he was drunk when he did not smell like even a drop of alcohol.</p>
<p>While &#8220;diabetics&#8221; are imperfect people at times too, the vast majority of Type 1 diabetics are fighting to simply continuing living every day. We don&#8217;t need people trying to stop us from helping ourselves. We don&#8217;t need people assuming we are drunk and letting us fall into a coma because they were to lazy to look for a medical alert bracelet.  It&#8217;s apparent that the *average* citizen and/or Type 2 diabetic will never have any clue of how hard it is to manage this disease.</p>
<p>In this day and age, this should not be happening. Due to the explosion of Type 2 diabetes, no one remembers what Type 1 is or the severity of it. They all think about their &#8220;Aunt Bessie&#8221; who had to simply &#8220;watch her diet&#8221; and &#8220;stay away from sugar&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesney</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/04/on_ignorance_an.html/comment-page-1#comment-37171</link>
		<dc:creator>Tesney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 01:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,
You raise some very good points.  I do appreciate law enforcement &amp; the (often thankless) job they do to protect our society.  I definitely agree that not all diabetics are model citizens &amp; diabetes should not give an individual carte blanc to do anything they want.  FWIW, and I&#039;m going off memory here, so I may be wrong, but I believe in the story released by ABC (and  who knows if the media is reporting the story correctly) Mr. U&#039;s low was verified by medical personnel.  I just think it&#039;s ridiculous to think that a diabetic experiencing a low would &quot;just stand there&quot; when trying to get to some sugar.  I guess I&#039;m just looking for a more empathetic response from the authorities if Mr. U was in fact low.  I have become physical during a low when my husband was trying to take my blood sugar before I went to get some candy from the pantry.  I knew I was low and just wanted to get some sugar immediately...no time for a finger stick.  That&#039;s how irrationally I was thinking at the time.  I feel like I need ot say that typically I&#039;m extremely mild-mannered (I&#039;m a child &amp; adolescent therapist so I have to have a pretty cool head to do my job well).  Anyway, points well taken.  :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,<br />
You raise some very good points.  I do appreciate law enforcement &#038; the (often thankless) job they do to protect our society.  I definitely agree that not all diabetics are model citizens &#038; diabetes should not give an individual carte blanc to do anything they want.  FWIW, and I&#8217;m going off memory here, so I may be wrong, but I believe in the story released by ABC (and  who knows if the media is reporting the story correctly) Mr. U&#8217;s low was verified by medical personnel.  I just think it&#8217;s ridiculous to think that a diabetic experiencing a low would &#8220;just stand there&#8221; when trying to get to some sugar.  I guess I&#8217;m just looking for a more empathetic response from the authorities if Mr. U was in fact low.  I have become physical during a low when my husband was trying to take my blood sugar before I went to get some candy from the pantry.  I knew I was low and just wanted to get some sugar immediately&#8230;no time for a finger stick.  That&#8217;s how irrationally I was thinking at the time.  I feel like I need ot say that typically I&#8217;m extremely mild-mannered (I&#8217;m a child &#038; adolescent therapist so I have to have a pretty cool head to do my job well).  Anyway, points well taken.  <img src='http://www.diabetesmine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.diabetesmine.com/2007/04/on_ignorance_an.html/comment-page-1#comment-37170</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 15:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem Tesney is we don&#039;t know the full story.  Remember, I&#039;m in law enforcement so I see stuff like this day in and day out.  Here&#039;s an example of a simple arrest and my general thoughts on what happened.

If someone attacks a police officer they are going to jail.  The process of going to jail means charges are then assigned to the person.  You CANNOT put someone in jail if they ARE NOT under arrest and charges ARE NOT ASSIGNED against them.  I&#039;m not sure if Mr. Universe went to jail or not as the media hasn&#039;t said that.  He could have been arrested and released.  Also, when was the life squad called?  And even if they arrived at the time of the original incident the prior incident still took place with him assualting the officer.

So...now we know he&#039;s diabetic...what do you do?  Do you know for a 100% fact that the reason he assualted the police officer was because of the low?  If so, dang, I&#039;ll keep that in mind and when I want to fight someone just purposely run slightly low.  Do you see the problem that causes?  If the polcie let him go, then it would be allowing any diabetic a reason to fight.  And don&#039;t tell me all 24 million known diabetics are perfect citizens cause you know that&#039;s bull as well as I do.

So the solution is arrest the person, cite them to court, and let the courts figure it out.  Remember, a charge of arrest does not mean guilty.  It means at the time the facts made one look guilty, then the courts straighten it out to what truely happened.  We don&#039;t have time at the scene of an incident to verify and call lab techs and medical doctors to what truely caused him to lunge at police.

You have to look at what happened at that time and what precident a wrong action could cause in the future.  Would more training to police help?  Yes, but there are millions of medical conditions and not enough funding in the country for police to be trained on everything.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem Tesney is we don&#8217;t know the full story.  Remember, I&#8217;m in law enforcement so I see stuff like this day in and day out.  Here&#8217;s an example of a simple arrest and my general thoughts on what happened.</p>
<p>If someone attacks a police officer they are going to jail.  The process of going to jail means charges are then assigned to the person.  You CANNOT put someone in jail if they ARE NOT under arrest and charges ARE NOT ASSIGNED against them.  I&#8217;m not sure if Mr. Universe went to jail or not as the media hasn&#8217;t said that.  He could have been arrested and released.  Also, when was the life squad called?  And even if they arrived at the time of the original incident the prior incident still took place with him assualting the officer.</p>
<p>So&#8230;now we know he&#8217;s diabetic&#8230;what do you do?  Do you know for a 100% fact that the reason he assualted the police officer was because of the low?  If so, dang, I&#8217;ll keep that in mind and when I want to fight someone just purposely run slightly low.  Do you see the problem that causes?  If the polcie let him go, then it would be allowing any diabetic a reason to fight.  And don&#8217;t tell me all 24 million known diabetics are perfect citizens cause you know that&#8217;s bull as well as I do.</p>
<p>So the solution is arrest the person, cite them to court, and let the courts figure it out.  Remember, a charge of arrest does not mean guilty.  It means at the time the facts made one look guilty, then the courts straighten it out to what truely happened.  We don&#8217;t have time at the scene of an incident to verify and call lab techs and medical doctors to what truely caused him to lunge at police.</p>
<p>You have to look at what happened at that time and what precident a wrong action could cause in the future.  Would more training to police help?  Yes, but there are millions of medical conditions and not enough funding in the country for police to be trained on everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tesney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Kevin &amp; Wil-
I have no problem with the
officer(s) involved protecting their selves and the public from someone who is acting aggressively by using force if they have no other choice.  My problem lies with the fact that they are going ahead with charges despite the fact that the actions of Mr. Burns were obviously a result of hypoglycemia.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Kevin &#038; Wil-<br />
I have no problem with the<br />
officer(s) involved protecting their selves and the public from someone who is acting aggressively by using force if they have no other choice.  My problem lies with the fact that they are going ahead with charges despite the fact that the actions of Mr. Burns were obviously a result of hypoglycemia.</p>
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		<title>By: "honey sweet"</title>
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		<dc:creator>"honey sweet"</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Danger WillRobinson&lt;/strong&gt;

Amy Tenderich, author of the Diabetes Mine blog, writes about the difficulties that the law enforcement has in recognizing someone with diabetic hypoglycemia.  I have been thinking about this for quite some time.  While I have had only a few scary lows...
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<p>Amy Tenderich, author of the Diabetes Mine blog, writes about the difficulties that the law enforcement has in recognizing someone with diabetic hypoglycemia.  I have been thinking about this for quite some time.  While I have had only a few scary lows&#8230;</p>
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