Comments on: Stem Cell Research: Hope Gets Vetoed http://www.diabetesmine.com/2006/07/stem_cell_resea.html A gold mine of straight talk and encouragement for people living with diabetes Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:28:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: JasonJayhawk http://www.diabetesmine.com/2006/07/stem_cell_resea.html/comment-page-1#comment-35834 JasonJayhawk Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:52:38 +0000 http://diabetesmine.dreamhosters.com/2006/07/20/stem-cell-research-hope-gets-vetoed/#comment-35834 Danny, I'm sorry (well, not really) that you desire to turn this into a non-diabetes soapbox for your illogical debate. I am not a master debater as you seem to be over stem cell research as it relates to the original thread. Danny,
I’m sorry (well, not really) that you desire to turn this into a non-diabetes soapbox for your illogical debate. I am not a master debater as you seem to be over stem cell research as it relates to the original thread.

]]> By: daniel duffy http://www.diabetesmine.com/2006/07/stem_cell_resea.html/comment-page-1#comment-35833 daniel duffy Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:22:35 +0000 http://diabetesmine.dreamhosters.com/2006/07/20/stem-cell-research-hope-gets-vetoed/#comment-35833 Jason, Let me repeat. Are you against any moral or ethical limitations on scientific research? Jason,

Let me repeat. Are you against any moral or ethical limitations on scientific research?

]]> By: JasonJayhawk http://www.diabetesmine.com/2006/07/stem_cell_resea.html/comment-page-1#comment-35832 JasonJayhawk Fri, 28 Jul 2006 02:08:39 +0000 http://diabetesmine.dreamhosters.com/2006/07/20/stem-cell-research-hope-gets-vetoed/#comment-35832 danny, I'm sorry that you missed my point, as I am remaining on topic with stem cell research. If you want to debate scientific research "limiations" (is that like a lime?), I'm sure Google can assist in pointing you to the proper soapbox. danny,
I’m sorry that you missed my point, as I am remaining on topic with stem cell research. If you want to debate scientific research “limiations” (is that like a lime?), I’m sure Google can assist in pointing you to the proper soapbox.

]]> By: daniel duffy http://www.diabetesmine.com/2006/07/stem_cell_resea.html/comment-page-1#comment-35831 daniel duffy Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:10:45 +0000 http://diabetesmine.dreamhosters.com/2006/07/20/stem-cell-research-hope-gets-vetoed/#comment-35831 Jason, You missed the point completely. My question is: do you believe that scientific research in principle should have NO moral limiations whatsoever? My example of Mengele merely provided an example of the consequences of such a belief. Jason, You missed the point completely. My question is: do you believe that scientific research in principle should have NO moral limiations whatsoever? My example of Mengele merely provided an example of the consequences of such a belief.

]]> By: JasonJayhawk http://www.diabetesmine.com/2006/07/stem_cell_resea.html/comment-page-1#comment-35830 JasonJayhawk Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:06:35 +0000 http://diabetesmine.dreamhosters.com/2006/07/20/stem-cell-research-hope-gets-vetoed/#comment-35830 Daniel, I might misunderstand you, but you're equating finding a cure for Type 1 diabetes the same as Dr. Menegele's "research"? Slow down, I'm confused! Julie, I'm glad you find Type 1 easy to control, but don't let that get in the way of research for others. Daniel,
I might misunderstand you, but you’re equating finding a cure for Type 1 diabetes the same as Dr. Menegele’s “research”? Slow down, I’m confused!

Julie,
I’m glad you find Type 1 easy to control, but don’t let that get in the way of research for others.

]]> By: Julie http://www.diabetesmine.com/2006/07/stem_cell_resea.html/comment-page-1#comment-35829 Julie Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:35:24 +0000 http://diabetesmine.dreamhosters.com/2006/07/20/stem-cell-research-hope-gets-vetoed/#comment-35829 Jason, I can assure you that I will not stand in line at all if a cure requires the destruction of a human embryo. Frankly, I find Type 1 diabetes to be a fairly easy disease to control. Compared to my profound hearing loss and severe vertigo from another autoimmune disease, it's a cakewalk. Jason, I can assure you that I will not stand in line at all if a cure requires the destruction of a human embryo. Frankly, I find Type 1 diabetes to be a fairly easy disease to control. Compared to my profound hearing loss and severe vertigo from another autoimmune disease, it’s a cakewalk.

]]> By: daniel duffy http://www.diabetesmine.com/2006/07/stem_cell_resea.html/comment-page-1#comment-35828 daniel duffy Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:05:03 +0000 http://diabetesmine.dreamhosters.com/2006/07/20/stem-cell-research-hope-gets-vetoed/#comment-35828 So Jason, are you saying there should be no moral limits on scientific research? Was Dr. Menegele's "research" on children legitimate? So Jason, are you saying there should be no moral limits on scientific research? Was Dr. Menegele’s “research” on children legitimate?

]]> By: JasonJayhawk http://www.diabetesmine.com/2006/07/stem_cell_resea.html/comment-page-1#comment-35827 JasonJayhawk Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:01:39 +0000 http://diabetesmine.dreamhosters.com/2006/07/20/stem-cell-research-hope-gets-vetoed/#comment-35827 I agree with you, Julie, in that we should not let someone else's "moral" decisions of limiting stem cell research should also limit the desire of persons with Type 1 diabetes that are looking for a cure. Just because I think that your car polutes the environment more than my car, and therefore your car should be required to pay more money for gasoline is not a good enough reason. I hope you stand at the back of the line when a cure for Type 1 diabetes is found. You may enjoy living and paying for Type 1 diabetes, but I want out -- FAST. Non-scientists placing limits on research hurts those who need it most. Thanks for hurting the people with Type 1 diabetes that don't like it. I agree with you, Julie, in that we should not let someone else’s “moral” decisions of limiting stem cell research should also limit the desire of persons with Type 1 diabetes that are looking for a cure.

Just because I think that your car polutes the environment more than my car, and therefore your car should be required to pay more money for gasoline is not a good enough reason.

I hope you stand at the back of the line when a cure for Type 1 diabetes is found. You may enjoy living and paying for Type 1 diabetes, but I want out — FAST.

Non-scientists placing limits on research hurts those who need it most.

Thanks for hurting the people with Type 1 diabetes that don’t like it.

]]> By: daniel duffy http://www.diabetesmine.com/2006/07/stem_cell_resea.html/comment-page-1#comment-35826 daniel duffy Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:30:36 +0000 http://diabetesmine.dreamhosters.com/2006/07/20/stem-cell-research-hope-gets-vetoed/#comment-35826 My 16 year old son is a Type I diabetic (diagnosed two years ago after Thanksgiving). I also support the President's veto,not just for moral reasons (I am pro-life and do not believe that some should be sacrificed - even if they going to be thrown away, die, anyway), but also for practical reasons. It's only been briefly mentioned so far but all potential ESC cures (of which ther are none, unlike ASC) will involve the inplantation of foreign tissue. This tissue will trigger an auto-immune response which can only be managed with immunosuppresent drugs - just like any other organ transplant. In other words, ESC cures for diabetes will be no dfferent than a current pancreatic or beta cell transplants - and with the same results. The dirty little secret of organ transplants is that the recipients only live on average another 5 years before an opportunistic disease takes them due to their weakened immune system. After my son was diagnosed, I asked our endocrinologist about transplants and was told he was better off taking insulin. ASC, OTOH, have no immune problems when they are taken from the recipient. While not perfectly pluripotent, ASC has shown themselves to be strongly mulitpotent with the most recent breakthrough being fat cells being turned into muscle cells. ASC also has a strong record of actual cures and therapies, bone marrow transplants being the most obvious example. Since we have finite resources for research, our first rule should be to reinforce success. ASC has shown success and promise, while ESC has resulted in nothing of value and the promise of immunological hurdles that may be imposible to overcome. Money and time spent on ESC will be a blind alley taking us further from a cure, not closer. My 16 year old son is a Type I diabetic (diagnosed two years ago after Thanksgiving). I also support the President’s veto,not just for moral reasons (I am pro-life and do not believe that some should be sacrificed – even if they going to be thrown away, die, anyway), but also for practical reasons.

It’s only been briefly mentioned so far but all potential ESC cures (of which ther are none, unlike ASC) will involve the inplantation of foreign tissue. This tissue will trigger an auto-immune response which can only be managed with immunosuppresent drugs – just like any other organ transplant. In other words, ESC cures for diabetes will be no dfferent than a current pancreatic or beta cell transplants – and with the same results. The dirty little secret of organ transplants is that the recipients only live on average another 5 years before an opportunistic disease takes them due to their weakened immune system. After my son was diagnosed, I asked our endocrinologist about transplants and was told he was better off taking insulin.

ASC, OTOH, have no immune problems when they are taken from the recipient. While not perfectly pluripotent, ASC has shown themselves to be strongly mulitpotent with the most recent breakthrough being fat cells being turned into muscle cells. ASC also has a strong record of actual cures and therapies, bone marrow transplants being the most obvious example.

Since we have finite resources for research, our first rule should be to reinforce success. ASC has shown success and promise, while ESC has resulted in nothing of value and the promise of immunological hurdles that may be imposible to overcome. Money and time spent on ESC will be a blind alley taking us further from a cure, not closer.

]]> By: Julie http://www.diabetesmine.com/2006/07/stem_cell_resea.html/comment-page-1#comment-35825 Julie Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:03:58 +0000 http://diabetesmine.dreamhosters.com/2006/07/20/stem-cell-research-hope-gets-vetoed/#comment-35825 Scientists are moral creatures too. It's well known that the political affiliations have lined up as usual in this debate. Liberals support federal funding of embryonic stem cell research while conservatives do not. So just because I am a scientist does not mean I cannot use the "liberal" term in my discussion/opinion. The funding issue isn't really a scientific one but a moral one anyway. Scientists are moral creatures too. It’s well known that the political affiliations have lined up as usual in this debate. Liberals support federal funding of embryonic stem cell research while conservatives do not. So just because I am a scientist does not mean I cannot use the “liberal” term in my discussion/opinion. The funding issue isn’t really a scientific one but a moral one anyway.

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